Backing Up Solar Power Plants

 

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Table of Contents

  1. Natural Gas Backup for Night Time
  2. Traditional Nuclear and Coal Power Plants Take Too Long to Start to Backup Solar
  3. Distributed Solar (Smaller Solar Plants that Back each Other Up)
  4. Cost of Backup Solar Panels

Natural Gas Backup for Night Time

Example case: It is projected that there will be a 200 MW power shortage in the next 5 years and power plant(s) have to be constructed to fill in that demand-supply gap.

There is a solar option which involves using a 200 MW solar power plant and of course, 200 MW would be required from another power plant at night when the solar power plant is not functional. The other power plant in this case is natural gas fueled and would be started at night.

Solar opponents say that utilizing a solar power plant would involve constructing an additional fossil fueled power plant such as a natural gas one because solar power plants don’t generate electricity at night as if solar power plants are to blame for the need to construct the natural gas plant, but there is a problem with that claim:

If you were to remove the solar power plant from the equation, then where would the 200 MW of power come from? The answer is the natural gas power plant. Coal and gasoline are options too, but in this example it is a natural gas plant.

The 200 MW has to come from somewhere, and the solar power plant would supply it for half of the day, and the natural gas plant would supply the rest in the evening. Therefore, if you remove the solar plant from the equation, the natural gas plant has to operate twice as long (not quite, but I said this for the sake of simplicity) and hence burn natural gas twice as long, which means that it is burning twice as much gas overall.

The solar power plant halves the natural gas power plant’s consumption by supplying the electricity during the day instead of the natural gas power plant so the NG plant only operates at night. So the natural gas power plant has to operate twice as long because it has to operate during not just night time, but the d

Also keep in mind that electricity grids everywhere have standby backup installed because they have to. All types of power plants will malfunction or have to be shut down for maintenance, so standby generators have to be available o back them up to prevent blackouts. This is why long blackouts are not common. Each single power plants normally supply electricity to thousands of homes. Those standby generators can also back up solar and wind power plants when necessary.

Another fact to note: Solar opponents use the argument that solar power alone cannot meet the world’s needs and that nuclear is the source of energy for the future. As I have said before, it is not necessary to rely exclusively on one power source for electricity, and it is actually a bad idea because that source of energy will become more expensive due to high fuel demand.


Traditional Nuclear and Coal Power Plants Take Too Long to Start to Backup Solar

Most traditional steam power plants such as coal and combined cycle natural gas plants do take 1.5 to 3 hours to start (attain the desired temperature and generate full power). [Source: Page 6] This means that they need that much time in advance of a shortage of solar power, and you never know when a cloud will pass over a solar power plant and reduce it’s power output.

Some modern combined cycle power plants can start in less than an hour, such as General Electric’s FlexEfficiency 50 Combined Cycle Natural Gas Plant which starts in half an hour.

This, however, does not mean that they cannot back up solar power plants.

Here is why: A battery bank that can provide 1.5 hours of electricity can be charged by solar power plants, or even with surplus electricity generated by other steam power plants (which is usually available during off peak hours, and would otherwise be wasted). When it becomes too cloudy, the batteries compensate for the solar power shortage by augmenting total electricity production, for 1.5 hours while a backup steam power plant is starting. You don’t need an entire day of energy storage to back up a solar power plant.

Peaking power plants take 10-15 minutes to start [Source: Page 6] and can also back up solar power plants much more quickly, however they are more expensive to operate. Another option is to use only 15 minutes of batteries to backup the solar power plants until peaking power plants start.


Distributed Solar (Smaller Solar Power Plants that Back each Other Up)

Example case: A large storm passes over a 50 MW solar power plant (photovoltaic, in other words regular solar panels) and is just about large enough to cover it. The plant powers 12,500 homes and there is now a power shortage of 30 MW because the clouds blocked some sunlight from reaching the panels. This means that another power plant has to provide the 30 MW needed to compensate for that shortage.

If the solar power plant mentioned above was replaced with 12,500 rooftop solar panel arrays, then because the residential setups are scattered over miles of land and not concentrated in one location like plant mentioned above, most people would still have enough power. Another advantage of this setup is that roof setups require no additional land because they are on roofs instead of the ground.

The storm mentioned could cover a neighbourhood and their solar panels, but never all 12,500 houses at once, so instead of reducing power production enough to leave 7,500 without power, it would affect only several (or more) solar setups in the clouded neighbourhood mentioned and reduce power production enough to leave only several people without power.

Several homes do not require much energy storage. As a matter of fact it is quite cheap compared to the energy storage (batteries, for example) required for 7,500 homes.

Another benefit of such a setup is that when the storm moves away from the neighbourhood mentioned, the neighbourhood then generates full (or near) power again and will help to back up the other homes and neighbourhoods that are clouded by that storm.

Residential (Distributed) Solar Setup. Click the image above to view the full sized version of it.


Large Storms

Particularly large storms can have a significant impact on the power production of a distributed solar power system like the one I mentioned above due to the fact that storms consist of clouds which will shade the solar panels. This would have to be addressed with backup generators, which is feasible. All power plants will fail or have to be temporarily shut off at some point, they will require backup in the event of breakdowns, for maintenance, etc.


Cost of Backup Solar Panels

One way to back up solar panels in the event of cloudy weather is to purchase more panels to ensure that enough electricity is generated during the day. However, some consider this to be more expensive than less panels, and it is not. The payback time is the same, and the cost of electricity is the same. I provided a simplified example below.

Example: If you were to purchase twice as many solar panels to compensate for shortages due to cloudy weather for example, your setup would generate twice as much electricity, therefore, the overall cost is the roughly same. The reason why it is not exactly the same is because economies of scale results in the 400 MW power plant being cheaper.

That is why the cost of electricity from a 200 MW power plant does not cost less than the electricity from a 400 MW power plant. The real or net cost is the entire cost of the generator over it’s lifetime including maintenance, fuel, etc divided by the amount of electricity that it generates over it’s lifespan. Whether you use this equation for a 400 MW or a 200 MW power plant, the result is the same.

In the case of a grid-tie solar setup (connecting the panels to the electricity grid to offset your electricity usage), if you purchased twice as many panels to ensure that your electricity bill never exceeds a certain amount, then you save twice as much on your electricity bill because the setup will generate twice as much electricity, and hence reverse your meter twice as much.

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  7 Responses to “Backing Up Solar Power Plants”

  1. [...] Conventional coal, nuclear and steam natural gas power plants cannot be started quickly enough to compensate for cloudy weather. Therefore, solar power plants need to be backed up by peaking generators or energy storage. [...]

  2. This problem of “back-up” capacity is going to be a small issue in the final analysis. With wind and solar being “intermittent” the need for ramping will always be an issue. Make no mistake: wind and solar will need to be the MAIN method of electrical generation and ramping with fossil fuels will be necessary ONLY until enough redundancy can be built into a global ‘smart grid’ designed to ‘harmonize’ service to customers. Generation will need to be less centralized than it is today. We have the technology. We only need to ‘scale it up’. The main problem will be the “smart grid” The technologies will continue to evolve with the main problem being the “political will” to get this very serious problem solved. If dealing with the political/financial issues was as easy as the technological issue I could go ahead and die a happy man but until that day I intend to remain committed to doing all that I can to foster the needed change.
    Ed

    • Yes. Less centralized generation is best for wind and solar power generation mainly because the weather in any one area varies too much and in the case of solar especially, if a storm system passes over a centralized solar power plant, then that means that thousands of people will lose power.

      The more “spread out” solar power plants are, the less weather systems affect total generation.

    • I forgot to add that less space would be wasted if wind turbines were placed in unused leased space in neighbourhoods such as behind buildings (which are of course much shorter than the turbines, and most of them are. Rooftops are great for distrubuted solar. A storm system would shade less than 100 kW of panels instead of MW of them.

  3. [...] started quickly enough to compensate for cloudy weather. Therefore, solar power plants need to be backed up by peaking generators or energy storage.This power plant is sometimes described as one which stores energy in a salt “battery” [...]

  4. yeah, i’m not a huge fan of natural gas, but it could possibly serve in a transitory role to help get us off coal, but i lean towards thinking it would be more worthwhile to build out solar, wind, other renewable energy sources, storage, and the electric grid more and avoid NG. what specific locations/regions are you thinking of for this?

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